Ten Ways That the Trinity Displaces Christ

In the previous post, Ten Ways That the Trinity Contradicts Christ,  I focused on the way that Trinitarian doctrine speaks against the biblical doctrine of Christ.  Of course, Trinitarians, for the most part, do this inadvertently.  They don’t mean to devalue Jesus Christ, but that is the outcome of their teaching.

Actually, the issue goes even deeper.  If you will read back through the verses I mentioned in the previous post you will see that Trinitarians have displaced Christ from the exalted position that these verses give Him.  Furthermore, they have replaced Christ with the man-made doctrine of Trinity.  [I say “man-made” advisedly because it is beyond dispute that it was defined and promulgated by church councils, not by apostles and prophets who spoke by the Holy Spirit.]

To demonstrate what I mean by “displace,” I am going to reproduce all ten verses but then substitute the word “Trinity” or “Triune God” or “the Holy Trinity” for the word “Christ,” or “Son” and so on.  You will then see that this is, generally speaking, how Trinitarians read these verses, even though they are usually not aware that they are changing the meaning.

The Ten Verses As Trinitarians Would Have Them:
(altered words are italicized; original quotations are from the NASB)

Colossians 1:18  He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that the Trinity Itself will come to have first place in everything.

Ephesians 1:10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in the Triune God, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In the Trinity

Colossians 2:9 For in the Trinity all the fullness of Deity dwells in mystical form,

1 John 5:11-12 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in the Trinity.  He who has the Triune God has the life; he who does not have the Triune God does not have the life.

1 John 2:23 Whoever denies the Trinity does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Trinity has the Father also and the Son…and the Holy Spirit.

2 John 1:9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of the Trinity, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son…and the Holy Spirit.

Jude 1:4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, the Holy Trinity.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to the Triune God.

Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is the Trinity and to die is gain.

Acts 4:10-11 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead–by this name this man stands here before you in good health.  “The Trinity is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone.

Trinitarians would deny that they read these verses in this way, but listening to Trinitarian teaching you have to acknowledge that they have made “the Trinity” more important than the Christ and that what I’ve portrayed above is the net effect on these verses and the many others that are like them.   Thus Trinitarians have obscured Christ (which is what I called The Biggest Problem with the Trinity).

To learn more about Christ versus the Trinity, see:

There Is No Trinity; There Is Christ

Posts to Date on the Trinity Versus Christ

55 Replies to “Ten Ways That the Trinity Displaces Christ”

  1. I am citing all of these verses from the Arian “biased” Jehovah’s Witness Bible, the NWT. I am also including refutations to your distortions of the truth that Christ is a created being.

    Colossians 1:18 – and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things;

    “All things” does not necessarily mean an “absolute”. He has first place in all things that are underneath Jehovah for he is Jehovah’s first and foremost creation.

    Colossians 1:15-17 – He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

    Ephesians 1:10 – for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, namely, to gather all things together again in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. [Yes,] in him,

    This is because Christ is the Father’s chief herald. The Father is gathering all things together in the Christ.

    Matthew 16:27 – For the Son of man is destined to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will recompense each one according to his behavior.

    John 6:40 – For this is the will of my Father, that everyone that beholds the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him at the last day.”

    It is the Father’s will. Not the Son’s will. You need to remember this.

  2. Colossians 2:9 – because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.

    Read Colossians 1:19.

    Colossians 1:19 – because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him,

    Colossians 1:15 – He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

    It is because he is the image of the invisible God. All of God’s characteristics were perfectly displayed by him. This does not make him “all of God”. To worship him as God would be to deny the Father.

    1 John 5:11-12 – And this is the witness given, that God gave us everlasting life, and this life is in his Son. He that has the Son has this life; he that does not have the Son of God does not have this life.

    Note: This is not because John is calling Yahushua God Most High. God has given us his Son to die for us so that we might be free from the bondage of the Satan.

    1 John 2:23 – Everyone that denies the Son does not have the Father either. He that confesses the Son has the Father also.

    Let me clarify to you what John is saying here. He is saying that those who deny the proper and realistic Father-Son relationship are antichrists. This means Trinitarians and Modalists and whatever you are are all classified as antichrists by John. The Father and the Son need to be two sentient beings. The Father needs to be older than his Son and therefore John is telling us to believe that Jesus was God’s first creation. This is the realistic and proper Father-Son relationship.

    1. John says “Everyone that denies the Son does not have the Father.”

      You say, “Everyone who denies ‘the proper and realistic Father-Son relationship’ are antichrists.”

      I’ll stick with John. He risked his life for our Lord. You won’t even use your own name.

      1. Here is my real name: Daniel

        John risked his life for our Lord.

        Revelation 11:15 – The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

        By the way, I am not just a witness of Jehovah. I am a witness of Jehovah and his annointed prophet-king (Jesus).

        1. Daniel,

          Why does your message sound different from that of the apostles? That is, as they proclaimed Jesus as Lord they might occasionally reference God who raised Him from the dead but it’s clear that their emphasis was devotion to Jesus. Why then do you keep invoking “Jehovah” which they did not do?

          1. >>>>>Why then do you keep invoking “Jehovah” which they did not do?
            Revelation 19:1 – After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting: “Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,

            Revelation 19:3 – And again they shouted: “Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”

            Revelation 19:4 – The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried: “Amen, Hallelujah!”

            Revelation 19:6 – Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.

            “Hallelujah, also spelled halleluiah, halleluyah, and the Greek and Latin form alleluia are transliterations of the Hebrew word הללו יה (Modern halleluya, Tiberian halləlûyāh) meaning “Praise ye Yah” or “Praise Jah, you people”. “Praise Jah” is a shortened form of “Praise Yahweh”, or, in another transliteration of the name, “Praise Jehovah”,”
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah

            What you said about John:
            “I’ll stick with John. He risked his life for our Lord.”

            John was a pretty die-hard Jehovah invoker wouldn’t you say?

            1. No, I wouldn’t say that. And I’m surprised that you…or anyone else…would.

              Look at what you have: 4 verses which use a word “Hallelujah” whose etymological roots can be traced to YHWH (sometimes rendered “Yahweh,” sometimes rendered “Jehovah.”) That’s it. No explicit invocation of Jehovah in these four verses. And, of course, no mention of “Jehovah” in any of the 400 other verses in the book of Revelation, nor in the 879 verses of the Gospel of John, nor in the 133 verses of the epistles of John. None.

              And yet you want to call John “a pretty die-hard Jehovah invoker”? What are you thinking?

              1. >>>>>Look at what you have: 4 verses which use a word “Hallelujah” whose etymological roots can be traced to YHWH (sometimes rendered “Yahweh,” sometimes rendered “Jehovah.”) That’s it. No explicit invocation of Jehovah in these four verses. And, of course, no mention of “Jehovah” in any of the 400 other verses in the book of Revelation, nor in the 879 verses of the Gospel of John, nor in the 133 verses of the epistles of John. None.

                Look, they had just been dominated by the Greco-Roman Empire. Their texts were based off of Greek language because that was the culture they were assimilated into. This does not denegrade the significance of Jehovah’s name at all. In fact, I would contend it was the Greek Empire under the evil Antiochus man-god who struck the divine name usage out of existence. If it exists in the Hebrew texts (which it does) then it is good enough for me.

                1. Antiochus Epiphanes was dead long before the New Testament documents were written. If you can find a way to say “Jehovah” in English what was to keep them from finding a way to say it in Greek if it was important to them? The fact that you’re preaching a name that the apostles of Jesus did not preach ought to bother you – unless you reject the New Testament as being inspired by God.

                  1. >>>>>The fact that you’re preaching a name that the apostles of Jesus did not preach ought to bother you – unless you reject the New Testament as being inspired by God.

                    The fact that there is no Greek equivalent for the Hebrew divine name.

                    What I do know is this:

                    Exodus 3:15 – And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

                    Jehovah will always be the name of the Supreme God and to deny this is to deny the Father. To deny that Yahushua is Jehovah’s Son is to deny the Father.

                    1. I don’t for a moment deny the Father. I just accept the New Testament’s teaching that He handed everything over to the Son. See Matthew 11:27; John 3:35; 5:22-23. Beyond these specific scriptures, however, consider that the thrust of the entire New Testament is that it is the Father’s will that we express our devotion to Him by being devoted to the Son. Thus, the purpose of my blogs is to draw attention to the Son. As the Father Himself said in Matthew 17:5:

                      “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”

                      Thus, now and forever, let us listen to the Son!

  3. 2 John 1:9 – Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. He that does remain in this teaching is the one that has both the Father and the Son.

    Mike, who is our one teacher? (Matthew 23:9-10)

    Jude 1:4 – My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.

    Yahushua is the only Lord who has been given to us by the Most High Elohim to obey. He has given us no others.

    2 Corinthians 11:3 – But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.

    Mike, the Father and Son are due their proper worship. (Revelation 4-5) You are the one denying Christ by acknowledging him as the Maker of all things thereby denying he is the one who receives honor for opening the scroll. The Satan has confused you.

    Philippians 1:21 – For in my case to live is Christ, and to die, gain.

    Proper homage due to Christ is as the one who has been exalted by the Most High Elohim. (Philippians 2:5-11) Therefore, for Paul to die for God’s most glorified and highly exalted Son is gain.

    Acts 4:10-11 – let it be known to all of YOU and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz·a·rene´, whom YOU impaled but whom God raised up from the dead, by this one does this man stand here sound in front of YOU. This is ‘the stone that was treated by YOU builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’

    Now let’s examine how YOU are displacing Christ.

    Acts 4:10-11 – let it be known to all of YOU and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of God the Father, whom YOU impaled but whom God raised up from the dead, by this one does this man stand here sound in front of YOU. This is ‘the stone that was treated by YOU builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’

  4. Mike, you argue that you do not deny the Father you just obey the Son because he handed everything over to the Son and tells people to obey the Son. In this, I would agree. But then you twist this to mean that the Father IS the Son and it is in this way that you end up denying both the Father and the Son. I fear for your salvation.

        1. If we are all commanded to obey the Son in all things, what difference does it make that he might be taking orders from someone else? Does that relieve you of any responsibility to the Son? Do you think you’re going to be able to go around the Son to his superior if he does something you don’t like?

          I did not find the material at the link helpful. Worship is not something you do in a church; it’s living every moment of your life in the presence of a holy and all-seeing God. See these posts:

          Church Is Not the Answer; Christ Is

          Seeking the Kingdom of God Instead of Church

          Practicing the Presence of Christ

          1. How about actually doing some research on Isaac Newton before saying something like…
            “Worship is not something you do in a church; it’s living every moment of your life in the presence of a holy and all-seeing God”

            Isaac Newton rejected sacraments upon his death bed. The reason – he didn’t go to a building! The problem is, he could still say the word “church” because he, unlike you, actually had friends who supported him and he supported them.

            Thus, what he called “church” was not what you would come to know as “church” but rather the BODY OF BELIEVERS – this is church. To deny the existence of the church is to deny that Christ has a body! To deny Christ has a body is to deny Christ! To deny Christ is HELL! FLAMES! FIRE! Do you want our Lord to scorch you like a roast potato on judgment day?!?

            1. When the New Testament was written, Christ was the head of the church. However, the time was soon to come when He would become heir of all things. (See Hebrews 1:1-2)

              Jesus became heir of all things by coming as King in the kingdom of God. From that instant onward, everything belonged to Him – not just the church. Everything and everyone. Christ is over all. He is no longer waiting for a kingdom. He is King! Let us serve Him by laying down our lives in love for Him and each other.

              1. Christ was king LONG before he returned. (Luke 17:20-26) If you read Isaac Newton’s commentary on Revelation 4-5 you would have known this.

                1. Jesus was made king of Israel at His resurrection-ascension. He was made king of all the nations (that is, King of the Universe) at His Second Coming (that is, the coming of the kingdom of God).

                    1. Because he was subject to His own decrees until the new creation came in.

                      You’re never going to figure this out if you don’t realize that the kingdom of God came when the Scriptures said it would (Jesus Christ Has Already Come Again). If you’re not willing to accept this, arguing about the Trinity and related issues is a waste of time.

  5. Hello, Mike. The new creation was administered when Yahushua laid down his life for us (2 Cor. 5:19-21). Your horrible misunderstanding of this is going to lead him to reject you.

      1. >>>>>He will never reject those who continually come to Him (John 6:37).

        You don’t come to him. Picture of it this way, if I told you that Mary was a wife, a mother, and she taught a class of students then you would know when I speak of a Mary who is a robber, a murderer, and single that I am talking about ANOTHER Mary. Thus, when I am talking about a Christ who is a created being and not the Almighty God, I am talking about the Jesus of the Bible. However, if I were to talk about a Christ who was God the Father in human clothes, I am talking about a DIFFERENT Jesus. Since you believe the latter, it is painfully obvious that you are distorting truth to your own peril.

        Please pray before reading the Bible. And do not pray to Jesus. Praying to Jesus is demonic.

  6. Mike, I do not disapprove of your placing trust in Jesus. I disapprove of your placing trust in the wrong Jesus. If you taught that Jesus was God’s first creation, I would see no need to share the gospel of Truth with you.

        1. As for the linked article, my belief that Jesus is God does not rest on John 1:1.

          I do not deny that the Father was Creator. Rather, I affirm it. I affirm also that the Father gave up His life as the Father to become the Son – through which He would again become our Father.

          If you believe Jesus is Lord but do not believe He is God Almighty, what part of your life has Jesus left not subject to His command such that you have the need to go around Him to the Father?

  7. Mike, Jesus’s God was the Father. Jesus has a God. To obey Jesus means having the same exact God that he did. Therefore, if you want to truly make it to Heaven, your God MUST be his God. If not, then you are guilty of idolatry. See Revelation 21:8 for the fate of idolaters.

    1. “As the Father sent Me, I also send you.” – John 20:21

      As Jesus reported to the Father, so we report to Jesus. There is no going around Jesus to get to God, as Jesus made clear in John 14:6 and Matthew 11:27.

      1. >>>>>There is no going around Jesus to get to God, as Jesus made clear in John 14:6 and Matthew 11:27

        I have NEVER gone around Jesus to get to God. NEVER! You can say all sorts of bad things about how I reject the Bible, unless you DENY that Jesus is God the Father, you will NEVER make it to Heaven!

      1. >>>>>Jesus is no longer in the flesh.
        I agree. But that wasn’t the point. You would by necessity have to distort scriptures to believe Yeshua is Almighty God.

  8. DT,

    If Jesus is Lord, then we must obey Him. Even if you don’t think he’s God, it sounds like you think he’s God chief representative. If so, you need to obey him in all things – no different from me or anyone else who considers Jesus Lord.

    1. >>>>>If Jesus is Lord, then we must obey Him. Even if you don’t think he’s God, it sounds like you think he’s God chief representative. If so, you need to obey him in all things – no different from me or anyone else who considers Jesus Lord.

      I agree with you, but the scriptures say we are supposed to follow after sound doctrine. Not hocus pocus doctrine. Modalism, Trinity, and Binity, and whatever it is you believe are all hocus pocus doctrines.

            1. >>>>>He gives commands that He can obey through us, if we will but let Him.

              Your god is officially a psychopath. Who was Jesus praying to? See also my latest blog in regards to Modalism/Oneness/whatever-you-call-yourself.

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