Answers for “Zach” of “Debunking Christianity”

This response is to a comment made by “Zach” at this point on a post at Debunking Christianity.

Zach:  Who says that Jesus’ times didn’t produce anyone else like him? That’s just a statement based on your predetermined belief that he was perfect.

Mike Gantt:  No, it’s a statment based on reading the account of His life in the New Testament.  If you have found a life that is comparable to it in that age – or any age – please tell me whose it was.

Zach:  Now I will say I don’t you or WiiliamBurns that well so maybe I am overstepping my bounds by assuming you are more moral than Jesus but I would be quite surprised if you weren’t.

Mike Gantt:  I take it you’re saying that if you find a reasonably good person in America today, his morals would be better than those of Jesus.  Again, I’m just staggered that you would think this.

Zach:  Jesus had some great ideas but none that were particularly unique to him or that pushed human morality forward in any great way.

Mike Gantt:  Of course, everything Jesus said about morality wouldn’t be brand new.  He was proclaiming the truth of God and certainly a fair amount of that truth had been available since the dawn of creation.

However, to say that He didn’t push human morality forward in any great way is to ignore not only his life, but all the lives since then that have been inspired by His.

Zach:  I know that’s tough for most Christians to accept but if one takes the gospels at face value and compare the morality espoused by Jesus to modern ethics one finds he comes up very short.

Mike Gantt:  In what ways?

Zach:  Now having been a Christian most of my life I know that is very tough to see when you’ve blinded yourself to it. Christians allow Jesus to define what actions/sayings are right or wrong and so of course by definition he cannot do or say anything wrong. But if one allows Jesus’ actions/sayings to define him and thereby determine if what he did/said was right or wrong than one finds he did and said many immoral things.

Mike Gantt:  Since you think there are “many” please list 4-5.  Or even one.

Zach:  Maybe one day you will see that for yourself but I know it was a long, painful process for me and it took a lot of hard work and personal honesty that most believers are not willing to put in.

Mike Gantt:  My daily walk with Jesus Christ takes a great deal of hard work and personal honesty.  I submit my thoughts to Him.  I want those thoughts to please Him.  That eliminates a lot of thoughts I used to think.  If anything, it would take less work if I were to walk away from Him because then I would have to answer to no one but myself for what I think.

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  2. Chris H says:

    “That eliminates a lot of thoughts I used to think.”

    Please list 4 or 5. Be specific.

  3. Mike Gantt says:

    Most of the 15 items listed in the first three verses here:

    Gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
    Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
    Gal 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
    Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

    (NASB)

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