Brandon E’s Objections: #6 – I Don’t Follow Other Christians – Now That One’s True!

For an explanation of this series, see Brandon E’s Objections:  #1.

Brandon wants me to find a group of Christians to join – or, in the absence of that, stop speaking confidently truths like these:

However, I wouldn’t know these truths unless God had shown me so why should I follow another human being when all human beings are as fallen as I am?

The Lord Jesus Christ is the only one worth following.  Follow Him and forget about me!

 

6 Replies to “Brandon E’s Objections: #6 – I Don’t Follow Other Christians – Now That One’s True!”

  1. Mike, I haven’t asked you to join a group of Christians, and I haven’t asked you to trade in your views at once for those of somebody else, but to be open to the possibility of being mistaken.

    If you are indeed as fallen as anybody else, and yet you are the only one we know of who has arrived at your combination of views about the truth in Scripture through their own reading ot it, in nearly 2,000 years of scriptural interpretation, believe yourself to be a more reliable interpreter of Scripture than any and every believer whose views you contradict, and even proclaim that your opinions are only the very word of God in Scripture? How would your own fallen mind know this? Is it more trustworthy or spiritually-attuned to God than any or every believer who would disagree with what you would tell them are not your opinions but the word of God?

    1. Sure, but what good reasons do you or I have to think this?

      Look at what you’re claiming. You evidently think that God has surely spoken to you to endorse your interpretations as so absolutely correct and not to anyone whose views you contradict, even though you are the only person we know of who has arrived at your set of interpretations of Scripture through their own reading of it. You find it a better explanation to conclude that everyone else who interprets the Scriptures but does not agree with you is ignorant of, biased against, or unwilling to accept the truth in Scripture, than to remain open to the possibility of your own fallible or mistaken bias. You felt entitled to comment upon mine and others’ spirituality (as if you really know these things) when we disagreed with you and offered scriptural reasons.

      In your mind what is your basis for thinking this way? Evidently, that you’ve prayed long and hard enough about it. As if others don’t prayerfully consider their views and come to the conclusions you contradict. When I asked you to remain open to even the possibility that this story you tell yourself is not as absolutely true as you think it is, you acted as if nothing could be more absurd. Eventually you said that your interpretations are not your opinions but the very revelation of God in the Scriptures, that since I thought otherwise I should try to convince God instead of you, and that I was taking the side of Satan.

      So apparently Mike Gantt is infallible, or something. How infallible must we think Mike Gantt’s ability to discern God from his own soul, over and against anybody else who would disagree with him, before we should conclude that it is a mistake to even ask him something so meager as to be open to the possibility of being mistaken? Why should or I or Mike Gantt give Mike Gantt special treatment, but not others?

      There are plenty of things that are possible, but one would have to be extremely biased–to the point that if they were in fact mistaken they could never discover it on their own terms–to believe them or to put so much stock into them.

    1. It’s possible, but it’s also possible that God will tell me in five minutes from now while I’m reading the Bible that I will be eaten by a lion tomorrow, and that if someone else tries to tell me otherwise that would be to trust men instead of God. It’s also possible that an evil spirit told you to think that it was impossible for you to be wrong and you thought is was God. “Possible” and “likely” or “reasonable” are not the same thing, so we need to evaluate the claims to see if they have any basis in reality.

      And I pointed out above, there are many things that are possible, but only an extremely biased person would believe them, such that if the person were in fact mistaken they could never discover it on their own terms.

      In the present case, I have asked you to simply be open to the possibility that you are mistaken. You are claiming that it is impossible for you to be mistaken about your interpretations of Scripture, even though you are the only one we know of who has arrived at your combination of views. And I am asking you what basis you have to believe this.

      And what really is your answer? That you prayed long and hard about it? Don’t others pray long and hard about their views and yet believe things that you contradict? Why give yourself such special treatment, even to the point that it is not possible that you can be mistaken?

      Could you just answer these questions? Is my point not clear enough?

  2. Could you just answer these questions? Is my point not clear enough?

    And what really is your answer? That you prayed long and hard about it?

    I’ve prayed long and hard about it and the understanding of Scripture that God has given me still makes more sense than the traditional positions you promote.

    Don’t others pray long and hard about their views and yet believe things that you contradict?

    They may, but God is not going to judge me according to whether or not I have followed their consciences – no matter how much they have or haven’t prayed.  He is judging me according to whether I am following my own conscience.

    Why give yourself such special treatment, even to the point that it is not possible that you can be mistaken?

    I am not giving myself special treatment.  I regard myself as under the same judgment as every other human being.  Yes, as human beings we might all be wrong, and at some times in our lives we all most certainly are.  However, this fallibility which haunts us does not prevent God from revealing truth to us which we may hold dearer than life itself.  When He does, the only reasonable response is for us to cling to what He shows us.

    You keep invoking the views of the Christian majority as if everyone who ever believed in a future fleshly coming of Christ is against me.  But I myself used to hold that view.  If I could change my mind when presented with a scriptural case stronger than the one I held, there’s no reason to believe that they couldn’t do the same.

    Also, see Questions for Brandon E: #7 What If Our Roles Were Reversed?

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