Questions for Brandon E: #7 What If Our Roles Were Reversed?

This is the seventh in a series of questions for Brandon E which began with this first question.

Brandon, what if our roles were reversed?  That is, what if the majority of Christians came to hold the views about Christ that I do – would you be more inclined to question your opposition to me?  If so, why?  If not, why?

16 Replies to “Questions for Brandon E: #7 What If Our Roles Were Reversed?”

  1. I have said that if I was in your shoes (the only one I know of having arrived at my own set of interpretations of Scripture), I would at least remain open to the possibility of being mistaken, that the better explanation for my situation was that it was my own biases or mentality at work and not everybody elses’.

  2. As I have said, this is, generally speaking, the attitude I have held. The one difference is that for me to decide that I have been wrong requires that I be shown where I am wrong. I cannot deny what my conscience tells me just because I am standing alone. The Lord did not deny us when He stood alone; I will not deny Him when I stand alone.

    1. But Mike, when the Lord stood alone He was not standing firm as if a single believer against believers. When you “stand alone” while not remaining open to even the possibility of being mistaken (as if you being mistaken is no more likely than Jesus not being Lord or the Bible not being the word of God) what you are in effect saying is that your conscience is more spiritually-attuned or reliable than everyone elses’ whose views you contradict, as if self-trust or self-deception (or other-trust or group-deception) in spiritual matters is more than possible for them, but not a possibility for you. But others trust and live unto the Lord as well, and investigate the same topics in Scripture that you do, and they surely don’t seem to arrive only at your interpretations of Scripture.

    1. It’s not a matter of labels, but of descriptive facts. A person who believes that Jesus is Lord and that the Bible is the authoritative the word of God is interpreting the same body of completed Scriptures, and has equal claim to trusting God, the guidance of the Holy Spirit, etc, as you do. Further, Jesus Christ indwells in those who have received Him by faith (2 Cor. 13:5; Rom. 8:9-11; John 1:12-13; 14:16-20; 2 Cor. 4:4-7; Eph. 3:17; Gal. 2:20), while a person who has not received Him by faith has not let Him into their being yet. Is your conscience more reliable and spiritually-attuned than than of any or all of believers whose views you contradict, such your “standing alone” against them can only be a matter of imitating Jesus, and not possibly a matter of personal bias or self-trust?

      The end result of your “standing alone” claims is that you treat believers like unbelievers if they disagree with you–that is, yourself as the unique believer who is trusting God, whose convictions are worth any weight or consideration. The same making of distinctions, except that it excludes believers whose views you contradict, but without the names for it.

  3. That is a construct from the prior age – that is, the church age. We live in the new age of which the apostles prophesied – the kingdom of God, in which all things are summed up in Christ (Ephesians 1:10).

    1. So…Christ no longer indwells anyone in the sense I meant, even you or me? Or He indwells everyone in this sense, even those who do not believe in Him or would even oppose His name?

      And of course you reasoning here is peculiar. Even after the Lord’s coming there are those who are outside His presence (Matt. 8:12; 22:13; 25:30; 2 Thes. 1:9; Rev. 21:8, 27; 22:14-15). The Lord Jesus was already Lord of all and Ephesians 1:10 already in effect due in His resurrection, ascension, and enthronement (Eph. 1:19-23) and still the apostles still distinguished between those who did and those who did not have the Spirit of Jesus.

    1. Though it concerns the new covenant, the promise in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was addressed “to the house of Israel and with the house of Judah” (vv. 31, 33). It is not talking about Christ indwelling everyone such that they are regenerated children of God who born of God to have His life, even those who do not believe in Him or even oppose belief in Him.

  4. The new covenant and new creation were all about making all people the people of God. As Hosea prophesied, “And I will say to those who were not My people, ‘You are My people!'” – Hosea 2:23

    1. And that happened when the promised blessing of the new covenant was extended to encompass not just Jews but the Gentiles, as many who would receive Jesus (the reality of the new covenant) by faith, such that the church composed of Jews and Gentiles became the new, spiritual Israel. As I said, it is not talking about Christ indwelling everyone such that they are regenerated children of God who born of God to have His life (new covenant blessings), even those who have not received Him or even oppose belief in Him.

  5. We’ve wandered far from the question of the original post, which you never answered. I asked if a the tide of believers surged to my position would you then have less confidence in your own?

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