Dialogue with Father Barron on the Second Coming of Christ

  • Mike Gantt

    Mike Gantt 23 hours ago

    As I’ve said, [the Lord’s Supper] was an activity to last until the coming of the kingdom. You don’t keep tying yellow ribbons around the ole’ oak tree after the soldier has returned. You embrace the soldier, for “when the perfect is come, the partial is done away.”

    in reply to mZaoa
  • wordonfirevideo

    wordonfirevideo 19 hours ago

    Yes indeed, the church will fade away when Christ comes again. Last time I checked, friend, that hasn’t happened yet!

    in reply to Mike Gantt
  • Mike Gantt

    Mike Gantt 17 hours ago

    You should check again.

    in reply to wordonfirevideo
  • wordonfirevideo

    wordonfirevideo 13 hours ago

    Okay, I give up: where is he hiding?

    in reply to Mike Gantt
  • Mike Gantt

    Mike Gantt 11 hours ago

    In the hearts of those who love Him (2 Thess 1:9-10).

    in reply to wordonfirevideo
  • wordonfirevideo

    wordonfirevideo 6 hours ago

    But friend, that is decidedly not what the Bible means by the Second Coming! It means the definitive return of Jesus and the consummation of all things, and the complete reconciliation of heaven and earth. Like it or not, that has not happened. Until it does, the vehicle of the Spirit’s presence to the world is precisely what Paul called the body of Jesus, the Church.

    in reply to Mike Gantt
    • Mike Gantt

      Mike Gantt 1 second ago

      By this same logic, the Jews reject His first coming, and appeal to Moses for Jewry’s status as you appeal to Paul for the church’s status. Thus, “recognizing neither Him nor the utterances of the prophets which are read every Sabbath,” (Acts 13:27) both rabbinic Judaism and organized Christianity reject the presence of the very One they proclaim.

      Nevertheless, “the Lord knows those who are His” (2 Timothy 2:19), and Brother Lawrence was one who surely got it right. The Lord sees our hearts.

Related post:  My Last Post on Father Barron’s WordOnFire.org YouTube Channel

[Editorial note, October 15, 2016:  This post used to include links back to this exchange on Father Barron’s YouTube site so that you could see our dialogue in that context if you wanted.  However, those links no longer work, and I don’t know why.  Something changed on his end.  It appears that he, or someone else there, has removed the entire dialogue.]

2 Replies to “Dialogue with Father Barron on the Second Coming of Christ”

  1. It is interesting that you quote “Brother Lawrence” and state that he “was one who surely got it right”, because Brother Lawrence is a lay brother (a consecrated religious, what Protestants would probably call a monk) in the Carmelite order (a way of living the Christian life) in the Roman Catholic Church. Brother Lawrence wrote a book entitled “Practicing the Presence of Christ”. I take it you are pushing this ‘title’ because of your unorthodox theology of no Church, no denominations, no corporate worship, no ministers, et al. What you fail to realize is that Brother Lawrence practiced his “way” of living his Carmelite Catholic life WITHIN the Church, in a religious institute approved BY that same Church to the glory both of Christ’s bride the Church and Her God, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

  2. @Michael,

    Not only was I aware that Brother Lawrence was a Roman Catholic, I was aware that Father Barron would be aware of that…which is why I made the reference.

    If you have read Brother Lawrence you will know that he does not credit his monastic order or any other human or institutional source for the glory he found. Rather he credits the presence of God. The key, he says, is “that we should establish ourselves in a sense of God’s presence, by continually conversing with Him.”

    We can all do the same. And we don’t need a church or monastery any more than he did.

    See also:

    The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence

    Practicing the Presence of Christ

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